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1561 celestial phenomenon over Nuremberg

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In the morning of April 14, 1561, at daybreak, between 4 and 5 a.m., a dreadful apparition occurred on the sun, and then this was seen in Nuremberg in the city, before the gates and in the country – by many men and women. At first there appeared in the middle of the sun two blood-red semi-circular arcs, just like the moon in its last quarter. And in the sun, above and below and on both sides, the color was blood, there stood a round ball of partly dull, partly black ferrous color. Likewise there stood on both sides and as a torus about the sun such blood-red ones and other balls in large number, about three in a line and four in a square, also some alone. In between these globes there were visible a few blood-red crosses, between which there were blood-red strips, becoming thicker to the rear and in the front malleable like the rods of reed-grass, which were intermingled, among them two big rods, one on the right, the other to the left, and within the small and big rods there were three, also four and more globes. These all started to fight among themselves, so that the globes, which were first in the sun, flew out to the ones standing on both sides, thereafter, the globes standing outside the sun, in the small and large rods, flew into the sun. Besides the globes flew back and forth among themselves and fought vehemently with each other for over an hour. And when the conflict in and again out of the sun was most intense, they became fatigued to such an extent that they all, as said above, fell from the sun down upon the earth 'as if they all burned' and they then wasted away on the earth with immense smoke. After all this there was something like a black spear, very long and thick, sighted; the shaft pointed to the east, the point pointed west. Whatever such signs mean, God alone knows. Although we have seen, shortly one after another, many kinds of signs on the heaven, which are sent to us by the almighty God, to bring us to repentance, we still are, unfortunately, so ungrateful that we despise such high signs and miracles of God. Or we speak of them with ridicule and discard them to the wind, in order that God may send us a frightening punishment on account of our ungratefulness. After all, the God-fearing will by no means discard these signs, but will take it to heart as a warning of their merciful Father in heaven, will mend their lives and faithfully beg God, that He may avert His wrath, including the well-deserved punishment, on us, so that we may temporarily here and perpetually there, live as his children. For it, may God grant us his help, Amen. By Hanns Glaser, letter-painter of Nurnberg

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It happened in 1566 three times, on 27 and 28 of July, and on August 7, against the sunrise and sunset; we saw strange shapes in the sky above Basel.

During the year 1566, on the 27th of July, after the sun had shone warm on the clear, bright skies, and then around 9 pm, it suddenly took a different shape and color. First, the sun lost all its radiance and luster, and it was no bigger than the full moon, and finally it seemed to weep tears of blood and the air behind him went dark. And he was seen by all the people of the city and countryside. In much the same way also the moon, which has already been almost full and has shone through the night, assuming an almost blood-red color in the sky. The next day, Sunday, the sun rose at about six o'clock and slept with the same appearance it had when it was lying before. He lit the houses, streets and around as if everything was blood-red and fiery. At the dawn of August 7, we saw large black spheres coming and going with great speed and precipitation before the sun and chattered as if they led a fight. Many of them were fiery red and, soon crumbled and then extinguished.

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Wiki description -

Soon, the object with the embedded lights appeared to be moving toward them, about 100 to 150 feet (30 to 46 m) above them, traveling so slowly that it gave the appearance of a silent hovering object, which seemed to pass over their heads and went through a V opening in the peaks of the mountain range towards Piestewa Peak Mountain and toward the direction of Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport.

Between 8:30 and 8:45 pm, witnesses in Glendale, a suburb northwest of Phoenix, saw the light formation pass overhead at an altitude high enough to become obscured by the thin clouds. Amateur astronomer Mitch Stanley in Scottsdale, Arizona, also observed the high altitude lights "flying in formation" through a telescope. According to Stanley, they were quite clearly individual airplanes.

Approximately 10:00 pm that same evening, a large number of people in the Phoenix area reported seeing "a row of brilliant lights hovering in the sky, or slowly falling". A number of photographs and videos were taken, prompting author Robert Sheaffer to describe it as "perhaps the most widely witnessed UFO event in history".

(Further Details can be found in Out of the blue by James Fox)

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Mage Encounter, A mass UFO sighting in this case it seems to be "red fireballs" in the sky as backed up by the earlier Nuremburg, The video that accompanies is a great example of Human forces possibly "defending" airspace from unknown UAP's, this event was sighted by the entire town who was there to witness, in the video you can clearly see and hear artillery fire. There are so many different sources for the incident its hard to refute that this didn't happen. The maker of the video claims that all the info was scrubbed of the internet as fast as possible, and with the degree of clarity we find in some of the videos i honestly believe it is a strong possibility. This is a video i would honestly recommend to anyone due to the multitude of camera footage and sources by people who simply had nothing to gain from it. (yes the guy looks like david bowie in the thumbnail for the video, i dont know why he chose that...)

So while there are other sightings by a mass of people i.e Varghina and other single UAP sightings, these stand out. Why? because from the basic information we are given by the early accounts Seem to coroberate with later accounts concerning the same shapes and objects.

Yes there are others that fit the description, and if someone wants to add some more info then feel free. But from a historian perspective, we have extremely detailed accounts in all four of these cases where a mass of people saw the same thing, and these stories even though from over half a milennia seem to have a specific connection.

1. Mass sighting, plenty of references, in a public place. The fact that these are documented in such a fashion tells us that there must have been reputable sources to draw from, even early accounts have had a lot of reasearch through word of mouth, people in this age still cared about the validity of their statements.
2. In the Mage event and the nuremburg event there is a clear indication of combat. The Nuremburg phenomenon is explicitly unique in this manner, the idea of two forces from the heavens fighting is a very key part of information that should be taken into account with the current whistleblower claims, the idea of opposing UAP motives suggest that there are alteast two seperate factions at play here, and they are most likely not homogenous in that regard. The Mage incident seems to point toward Humans trying to destroy UAP's the fact that there is no direct massive retaliation on a larger scale suggests interesting insinuations. do they not care about their downed craft? AI, or an intermediatery buffer?
3. Very loose "scientific" reasons on why they happened, which from a realist point of view seems unlikely, i.e flares (why would a multitude of people be simply wrong).
4. The idea of mass fear from the unknown. Every UAP event that is witnessed seems to activate the fight or flight process ingrained within humans, something that cannot simply be explained with the current knowledge. The old sources just suggest wrath from the heavens, and punishment for various issues that wouldnt be considered by the church to be virtues.

These four examples line up, it is very difficult to cover up something that was recorded 500 years ago, while modern events are a lot easier.

If we can accept that some sort of phenomena has occured within these last 500 years, then surely we can look further back into history and look for some indicators of a previous event, which could be considered fringe by some, but may have some very realistic implications into the length that this has been occuring.

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In the *Varaha kalpa*, twelve battles between the devas and the asuras are described in the Brahmanda Purana. If anyone has watched ancient aliens then this may have come up a few times, while i dont agree with most of the fringe concepts posited some of the core thinking is correct in my opnion.

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The war in heaven, contained within the bible in the book of relevations.

Satan and his angels rebelled against God in heaven, and proudly presumed to try their strength with his. And when God, by his almighty power, overcame the strength of Satan, and sent him like lightning from heaven to hell with all his army.

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In Greek mythology the battle of the titans and the gods occurs in the sky.

This is how the great Titanomachy began, the war between the Titans and the Gods, with Zeus as their leader. This titanic battle lasted for ten years. The gods defeated the Titans and threw them into Tartarus, a dark and gloomy place as far from the earth as earth is from the sky. Then the gods fought with the Giants for the dominance of the world. The Gigantomachy lasted a long time as well. But the gods were again victorious. Thus, Zeus became the ruler of the whole world and he and the other gods settled in Olympus. 

If we can interpret the first four cases as being linked due to similarities, then it wouldn't be too far fetched to assume that these earlier encounters may have been the same as the nuremburg phenomenon, a way to explain in current human terms a possible battle in the heavens.

Is this irrefutable proof? No.

Are these coincidentally similar? Yes.

The idea of multiple forces battling for dominance is an interesting concept.

Has there been a galactic turf war that has led to one side attaining control over our solar system?

As unevolved beings with crude technologies and language (compared to an extremley advanced race) could we understand the signs?

As much as Ancient Aliens rubs me the wrong way, this is an interesting point that is made and is backed up outside of their own narrative. And i believe that if UAP's have been here for a long time, they may have been scrawled into various historical documents as religious phenomena.

Tell me what you think.