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Grusch's response on Joe Rogan when asked how he first found out about the crash retrieval programs:

"A very senior individual in the intelligence community came to me when I was asking a lot of questions because I'm a very inquisitive guy. He said, "Hey, I need to introduce you to somebody." He listed that person's academic credentials, which were beyond reproach—PhD level education, an impressive clearance, and an incredible resume. I thought, "Okay, sure, I'll talk to this person." I ended up meeting that individual in a top-secret facility.

He started discussing how he was involved in a program where we were reverse engineering crash material that we had recovered over the decades. He emphasized, "I'm not joking." He explained that we needed to report this to the Deputy Secretary of Defense and Congress. We were actively briefing Secretary Esper, Deputy Secretary Norquist, and other cabinet-level officials."