Ray Boeche's meeting with two DoD scientists
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| Date | 25 November 1991 |
|---|---|
| Topics | Beings & bodies (topic), Secrecy & cover-up (topic), Government programs (topic) |
| People | Ray Boeche |
| Testimony | Shellenberger testimony, p. 112 |
| Year | 1991 in UFO history |
| Timeline | 1991 on the UAP Timeline |
| Sources | 5 |
Ray Boeche, an Anglican priest and former Nebraska state director of the Mutual UFO Network (MUFON), says that in November 1991 he was contacted by two Department of Defense physicists who told him they were part of a classified programme trying to contact what they called "non-human entities" (NHEs).[1][2]
The meeting
According to Boeche, the two men were Christian scientists who had become convinced that the entities were deceptive and demonic, and that the programme should not be communicating with them. They wanted his perspective as a clergyman. Boeche has kept their names confidential and did little to publicise the meeting; he later said that, as a pastor trained in theology, he could only conclude that "some sort of spiritual deception" was going on.[1][2][3]
The "Collins Elite"
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The story reached a wide audience through writer Nick Redfern, who interviewed Boeche in 2007 and made the meeting the framing story of his 2010 book Final Events. Redfern linked the physicists to a group he called the "Collins Elite", alleged high-level officials who believed UFOs were demonic; Redfern has said the name came from his own research, not from Boeche. Christian scholar Michael Heiser criticised the book's credibility and its "cartoonish demonology".[2][3]
Later interest
The account drew renewed attention in the 2020s, when Luis Elizondo and others claimed that religious objections within the government had hampered UAP research; Wikipedia notes that the "Collins Elite" claim first appeared in Final Events, and skeptic Jason Colavito has criticised Elizondo's version. No documents have confirmed the group Boeche described.[2][4]
People and topics
- Defense Intelligence Agency — The Pentagon's military intelligence agency, which ran AAWSAP.
- National Security Agency — The U.S. signals intelligence agency, which holds UFO-related intercepts.
- Non-human intelligence — A term for intelligent beings of non-human origin, used in UAP legislation.
- Ray Boeche — Pastor and former MUFON director who met two Defense Department scientists in 1991.
- MUFON — The largest civilian UFO organization in the United States.
- Unidentified anomalous phenomena — The U.S. government's current term for unidentified objects in the air, in space and underwater.
- AAWSAP — The Defense Intelligence Agency's UAP research program of 2008–2010, carried out by Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies.
On the Timeline
- DuBose affidavit (1991) (16 September 1991) — Gen. Thomas DuBose says the Roswell balloon story was a cover and the event was above Top Secret.
- Jud Roberts and the Mac Brazel interview (30 December 1991) — A Roswell radio manager says he interviewed rancher Mac Brazel and was warned off broadcasting it.
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References
- Ray Boeche, "Complete record of DoD contacts" (revision Sep 2020), Academia.edu · rayboeche.academia.edu · archived copy
- Final Events — Wikipedia · en.wikipedia.org · archived copy
- Nick Redfern, "Highway to hell", Goodreads blog · goodreads.com · archived copy
- Jason Colavito, "Two new articles discuss UFO demons in the Defense Department" · jasoncolavito.com · archived copy
- rayboeche.academia.edu · rayboeche.academia.edu · archived copy
Further reading
- UFO documents — NSA · nsa.gov · archived copy
This page was last edited on 29 October 2026. Articles are written in our own words from the sources listed under References; disputed claims are attributed to the people who made them.
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