Contractor speculation dinner (2004)
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| Date | 28 March 2004 |
|---|---|
| People | Jacques Vallée, Christopher "Kit" Green, Harold Puthoff, Eric W. Davis, David Grusch |
| Testimony | Shellenberger testimony, p. 156 |
| Year | 2004 in UFO history |
| Timeline | 2004 on the UAP Timeline |
| Sources | 11 |
Contractor speculation dinner (2004) — Vallée's circle speculates about which contractors handle real UAP projects.
According to Jacques Vallée's journals, in March 2004 Vallée had dinner with Kit Green, Hal Puthoff, Eric Davis and engineer Kristin Zimmerman. The group discussed which defence contractors might hold UFO material, if any did.
It was speculation, not evidence. The contractors most often mentioned in such discussions over the years include Lockheed, Northrop, Boeing, McDonnell Douglas, TRW, SAIC and Bigelow Aerospace.
Similar speculation became public in 2023, when David Grusch told Congress that defence contractors held recovered non-human material. No company has confirmed any such program, and the Pentagon's AARO reported in 2024 that it found no evidence.
People and topics
- Jacques Vallée — Computer scientist and astronomer, author of the Forbidden Science journals and a central figure in UFO research.
- Unidentified anomalous phenomena — The U.S. government's current term for unidentified objects in the air, in space and underwater.
- Christopher "Kit" Green — CIA physician and analyst who became a long-time contact of Jacques Vallée and studied UAP-related injuries.
- Harold Puthoff — Physicist who co-founded the SRI remote-viewing research and later worked on AAWSAP and To The Stars Academy.
- Eric W. Davis — Physicist who worked on AAWSAP and has said the U.S. holds recovered craft.
- Unidentified flying object — An object in the sky that can't be identified; the older term for UAP.
- Lockheed Martin — The aerospace company whose Skunk Works built the U-2, SR-71 and F-117.
- Boeing — The aerospace company whose Phantom Works looked at gravity research in 2002.
- McDonnell Douglas — The aerospace company that ran several quiet studies of UFOs and propulsion.
- TRW — A U.S. aerospace and defence contractor often named in UFO claims.
- SAIC — A U.S. defence contractor that carried out propulsion studies and remote-viewing work.
- Bigelow Aerospace — Robert Bigelow's space habitat company.
- David Grusch — Former intelligence officer who testified in 2023 that the U.S. has recovered non-human craft.
- Non-human intelligence — A term for intelligent beings of non-human origin, used in UAP legislation.
- AARO — The Pentagon office set up in 2022 to investigate UAP.
On the Timeline
- DIA source notes on fake MJ-12 papers (2004) (26 March 2004) — Davis receives notes from a DIA source about fake MJ-12 papers and a secret project.
- Catherine Austin Fitts and the missing money (June 2004) — Catherine Austin Fitts writes that huge sums are being diverted into secret programs.
See every 2004 event on the UAP Timeline →
References
- Forbidden Science — the journals of Jacques Vallée (Anomaly Archives) · anomalyarchives.org · archived copy
- Forbidden Science series — Anomalist Books · anomalistbooks.com · archived copy
- Kit Green in Vallée's journals — Forbidden Science Dispatches · tannerfboyle.substack.com · archived copy
- Kit Green, Garry Nolan and UAP-related injuries — IBTimes · ibtimes.co.uk · archived copy
- Former CIA officer on UFO-related injuries — TweakTown · tweaktown.com · archived copy
- Harold E. Puthoff — Wikipedia · en.wikipedia.org · archived copy
- Review of Forbidden Science 6 — SFCrowsnest · sfcrowsnest.info · archived copy
- Forbidden Science Dispatches — Tanner Boyle (journal summaries) · tannerfboyle.substack.com · archived copy
- Kit Green — Wikipedia · en.wikipedia.org · archived copy
- Garry Nolan on UFO materials and Kit Green's patient studies (Vice interview) · exo.substack.com · archived copy
- amazon.com · amazon.com · archived copy
Further reading
- Jacques Vallée — Wikipedia · en.wikipedia.org · archived copy
- Skunk Works — Wikipedia · en.wikipedia.org · archived copy
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